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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part Two by Lil S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice that folks don&#039;t really object to what ACELC is saying, they seem to object to HOW it is done.  So, I ask AGAIN, what would be a better way to begin about a discussion than with a paper?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice that folks don&#8217;t really object to what ACELC is saying, they seem to object to HOW it is done.  So, I ask AGAIN, what would be a better way to begin about a discussion than with a paper?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part Two by ACELC &#8211; The Analysis Continues &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACELC &#8211; The Analysis Continues &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 17:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; The Analysis&#160;Continues  Pr. Peperkorn continues his fine service to the church with part two of his analysis of ACELC. I highly recommend it.  Also, now I don&#8217;t have to write more on the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part Two by Chryst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chryst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 01:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has to be a better term than &quot;outside group&quot;.  Maybe, &quot;unofficial&quot; or &quot;unsanctioned&quot; or &quot;para-synodical&quot; or something.  Although, not all such groups are alike even in how they are &quot;outside of&quot; or &quot;alongside of&quot; the synod.

I suggest &quot;para-synodical&quot;.

I do think that some para-synodical groups, even those not holding RSO or Auxilary status, are helpful and useful.  Until recently, Higher Things was that.  So it&#039;s not the nature of the relationship to synod that counts so much, as it is what they are DOING - that we find unhelpful, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has to be a better term than &#8220;outside group&#8221;.  Maybe, &#8220;unofficial&#8221; or &#8220;unsanctioned&#8221; or &#8220;para-synodical&#8221; or something.  Although, not all such groups are alike even in how they are &#8220;outside of&#8221; or &#8220;alongside of&#8221; the synod.</p>
<p>I suggest &#8220;para-synodical&#8221;.</p>
<p>I do think that some para-synodical groups, even those not holding RSO or Auxilary status, are helpful and useful.  Until recently, Higher Things was that.  So it&#8217;s not the nature of the relationship to synod that counts so much, as it is what they are DOING &#8211; that we find unhelpful, right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part Two by The Exiled</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Exiled</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 23:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few thoughts on this topic:

I would like to say that we are blessed that we do not have more &quot;outside groups&quot; in this synod, as compared to the Roman Catholic church. That church body has multiple groups all claiming some type of need to address the errors of their church body. Most read like special interest groups, or political action committees. These group sow much confusion in their respective church body. Maybe that says something about how the LCMS has some level of uniformity by the lack of the number of &quot;outside groups&quot; existing in the synod.

I do understand the need to be vigilant in regards to doctrine and assuring that the true faith is passed on from generation to generation. I believe that the church can benefit from groups who do call into question those things that may not be scriptural or doctrinal before it takes hold. The ecumenical councils come to mind. Yet, the LCMS is not set up in its current structure to hold discussions on errors (real or perceived) to come to a conclusion or answer. Doctrinal questions are sent to a committee who are elected to their posts, instead of non-elected theologians, and answers to questions do not come in a timely fashion. This has led to synodical positions being decided by whichever way the political wind was blowing when people were elected, and also when such issues were either accepted or denied to be decided upon. (Yes, I know, the first seven ecumenical councils were not perfect and there was politics involved with those as well.) It would be a refreshing change of pace to actually have open discussions in the LCMS regarding the issues facing the church.

I don&#039;t understand why the ACELC needs to be set up as a 501(c)3. Why is there a need for this designation so soon? I know that the IRS gives great leeway to religious organizations when applying for tax-exempt status, but why the need to have a treasury and ability to raise funds, with the bonus to have donors write off their contributions? Is this to qualify for Thrivent matching funds, or to apply for grants? What expenses, other than printing and mailing costs, are there? I can understand Higher Things, or other similar organizations, needing donations to continue their activities and hence applying for tax-exempt status, but I am just not convinced with the whole &quot;in a post-9/11 world&quot; arguement.

I guess I am confused by what the ACELC is trying to accomplish. In other words, what their &quot;end game&quot; is. It is no secret that their are problems in the LCMS. There have been problems for years. I can understand the frustration of seeing the LCMS &quot;paper doctrine&quot; not matching what its &quot;practiced doctrine&quot; is. I get frustrated as well. I don&#039;t know if things have gotten to the point where there is the need for yet another group getting together to point out what many already know. A group that goes beyond pointing out problems and offering reasonable solutions would be welcomed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few thoughts on this topic:</p>
<p>I would like to say that we are blessed that we do not have more &#8220;outside groups&#8221; in this synod, as compared to the Roman Catholic church. That church body has multiple groups all claiming some type of need to address the errors of their church body. Most read like special interest groups, or political action committees. These group sow much confusion in their respective church body. Maybe that says something about how the LCMS has some level of uniformity by the lack of the number of &#8220;outside groups&#8221; existing in the synod.</p>
<p>I do understand the need to be vigilant in regards to doctrine and assuring that the true faith is passed on from generation to generation. I believe that the church can benefit from groups who do call into question those things that may not be scriptural or doctrinal before it takes hold. The ecumenical councils come to mind. Yet, the LCMS is not set up in its current structure to hold discussions on errors (real or perceived) to come to a conclusion or answer. Doctrinal questions are sent to a committee who are elected to their posts, instead of non-elected theologians, and answers to questions do not come in a timely fashion. This has led to synodical positions being decided by whichever way the political wind was blowing when people were elected, and also when such issues were either accepted or denied to be decided upon. (Yes, I know, the first seven ecumenical councils were not perfect and there was politics involved with those as well.) It would be a refreshing change of pace to actually have open discussions in the LCMS regarding the issues facing the church.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why the ACELC needs to be set up as a 501(c)3. Why is there a need for this designation so soon? I know that the IRS gives great leeway to religious organizations when applying for tax-exempt status, but why the need to have a treasury and ability to raise funds, with the bonus to have donors write off their contributions? Is this to qualify for Thrivent matching funds, or to apply for grants? What expenses, other than printing and mailing costs, are there? I can understand Higher Things, or other similar organizations, needing donations to continue their activities and hence applying for tax-exempt status, but I am just not convinced with the whole &#8220;in a post-9/11 world&#8221; arguement.</p>
<p>I guess I am confused by what the ACELC is trying to accomplish. In other words, what their &#8220;end game&#8221; is. It is no secret that their are problems in the LCMS. There have been problems for years. I can understand the frustration of seeing the LCMS &#8220;paper doctrine&#8221; not matching what its &#8220;practiced doctrine&#8221; is. I get frustrated as well. I don&#8217;t know if things have gotten to the point where there is the need for yet another group getting together to point out what many already know. A group that goes beyond pointing out problems and offering reasonable solutions would be welcomed.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by Rev. Todd Peperkorn</title>
		<link>http://www.lutheranlogomaniac.com/2010/08/why-groups-like-the-acelc-arent-helpful-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-13562</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev. Todd Peperkorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 18:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lil, I&#039;m not ignoring you.  I am working on several posts that will seek to answer that question.  Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lil, I&#8217;m not ignoring you.  I am working on several posts that will seek to answer that question.  Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by To the Victors Belong the Spoils &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>To the Victors Belong the Spoils &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pepperkorn over at Lutheran Logomaniac has written a mild, and well thought out, critique of a group that has formed and says that they only want to document errors in the synod, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Pepperkorn over at Lutheran Logomaniac has written a mild, and well thought out, critique of a group that has formed and says that they only want to document errors in the synod, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by Lil S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  I asked Rev. Peperkorn, and I asked Rev. McCain.  No reponse from either.  Is there ANYONE out there who could answer my question?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  I asked Rev. Peperkorn, and I asked Rev. McCain.  No reponse from either.  Is there ANYONE out there who could answer my question?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by The ACELC &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</title>
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		<dc:creator>The ACELC &#171; Wild Boar from the Forest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Lutheran Logomaniac has a great post that summarizes some of my own concerns with the ACELC (Producers of the [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by Lil S</title>
		<link>http://www.lutheranlogomaniac.com/2010/08/why-groups-like-the-acelc-arent-helpful-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-13511</link>
		<dc:creator>Lil S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 12:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, I ask you, Rev. McCain:  How else could it be done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, I ask you, Rev. McCain:  How else could it be done?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why groups like the ACELC aren&#8217;t helpful: Part One by Rev. Paul T. McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Paul T. McCain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 14:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Todd. Thanks for saying it. It&#039;s unfortunate that Dick Bolland and a few others can&#039;t recognize the problem with their approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Todd. Thanks for saying it. It&#8217;s unfortunate that Dick Bolland and a few others can&#8217;t recognize the problem with their approach.</p>
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